We've been looking to pickup an elliptical machine for a while now, well at least Jen has been. We both agreed we didn't want to spend $100 bucks on a pos, but then again we didn't want to spend a grand on what would become a glorified coat hook. So I finally found one online that looked like it was what we wanted, and the price was pretty much about right for a decent used elliptical. So after some negotiations via email we drove out yesterday to pick it up. We arrive about 45 minutes away from our house a little early. No biggie really, except when we actually head downstairs into the basement to check it out it turns out that the seller has not yet actually turned it on to make sure it works. Guess what it doesn't do? If you said work, then you'd be right. Long story short, I spent the next hour or so taking the whole damn thing apart in this guy's basement trying to isolate the problem. Turns out there was a problem in the wiring harness where the upright console connected to the frame. The +12v male pin stress tabs had crumbled (probably from somebody inserting the opposite tab on an angle) and pushed back out of the harness. Noting to major to fix, but super glue wouldn't really work, and hot glue would be a good temp fix....but not what I'd call a permanent fix. So, now that I knew the problem and how to fix it (worked fine when I manually connected it) I was ok with buying it. But there was no way my time was free. The guy was all like "Ok, well that easy to fix, we're good to go". No way is that fair, i'm not gonna pay full price for something that you didn't even verify worked, and that had something wrong with it. Plus, what about all that effort I spend fixing it? Bah! I told him that I'd buy it if he knocked 20 off for my time, and it still felt to me that it was like trying to get blood from a stone. But he agreed (albiet reluctantly imho) and we loaded it up. They were nice enough actually, but it just seemed like he was really pissed (maybe at himself) that I got him to knock the price down because the last person to put it together fubar'd it (which was probably him). If some smart ass little shit came into my house to buy something, and it was broken, and then he fixed it....well i'd be pissed to. Of course I'd have automatically said "hey, sorry about that, if you want to still buy it I'll knock "X amount" off it. Oh well.